Eric Dubay: Flat Earth Advocate Fell Off The Deep End


Eric Dubay: Flat Earth Advocate Fell Off The Deep End

Eric Dubay has accomplished much to advance clear knowledge of “Stationary Earth.” This Moralmatters author does not doubt for one moment that Mr. Dubay has been a modern-day pioneer in bringing to the world specific indisputable information which highlights and illustrates the true physical nature of our world. Also, Eric has brought to bear, lies and deceit which are disseminated by certain “powers that be” who are hell-bent proliferating their damning propaganda of heliocentric earth.

Above pic of a "Christian apologetics" book; one of many. Eric Dubay apparently is a person who only is motivated by his physical senses; and by human reasoning which is stifled by "seeming contradictions." Many are they who also take Biblical Scripture and its Author, Creator Christ as one, like themselves. That is a grave and eternal mistake. Pic Source:

Above pic of a “Christian apologetics” book; one of many. Eric Dubay apparently is a person who is highly motivated by his physical senses; and by human reasoning. He, like many, is stifled by “seeming contradictions” in the Biblical historical record. Eric, like others will capriciously use Biblical Scripture, picking and choosing; but never realizing its true nature, origin and giving it its unique, due. That practice is a grave temporal error and eternal damning mistake. Pic Source:

Very recently, this Moralmatters author accessed the following Eric Dubay video:

“Jesus Christ Never Existed” –

After checking out the video’s content (with knowledge of Mr. Dubay’s apparent fondness for “Eastern religion mysticism.” He lives in Thailand and teaches Yoga and Wing Chun) I posted the following comment after Dubay’s video. [Note: The {my} comment may have been removed]

Moralmatters author’s comment: 

Eric – I’ll still pray for you that the Lord God of all mercies as described in the Biblical divine revelation would have mercy upon your priceless soul. But, from here on, I intend to make it a point not to link any of your work anymore on my website.

For awhile I was able to overlook your “out-of-the-way” ridicule of other “flat-earthers,” but now you have again directly further alienated yourself. I believe you need to get over being “full of yourself,” and do so some cold, hard (genuine) repenting. To even suggest that the historical Christ never existed, is utterly reprehensible! Your rejection flies in the face of all reason and (obvious) world history.

Moralmatters author notes:

This author will leave Eric Dubay web links previously embedded within this website. But, he does not intend, to add anymore. He has also taken Eric’s links off of his Moralmatters page of highlighted YouTube links. Denying the very basis of Earth’s geocentric status is egregiously reckless.

Furthermore, Dubay’s denial of the Author (aka, Creator) of Stationary Earth, is most sad, indeed!

  • “……..and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.” – 1 John 4:3 – NKJV
  • “For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.” – 2 John 1:7 – NKJV

Those of you who have “the spirit of Christ”; who have been born from above, to genuinely recognize His all-creating and controlling divine Triune, God-Head, please remember Eric Dubay in your prayers.

This Christian emeritus pastor Moralmatters author has no doubt that Eric Dubay seeks truth. But, there is a huge difference between “truth” and “the truth.” Denying the truth is very harmful in this temporal realm. In the hereafter though, it is catastrophic for one’s priceless eternal soul.

Related to the above:

Eric Dubay Profile –


“I’m a 33 year-old American living in Thailand where I teach Yoga and Wing Chun part-time while exposing the New World Order full-time.”

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Please note: Stationary Earth: Clear Non-Curvature Evidence That Contradicts A Spherical Earth - - Pic source: Found on the web.

Please note: “Stationary Earth: Clear Non-Curvature Evidence That Contradicts A Spherical Earth” – – Pic source: Found on the web.

According to “globalists” – those who spread the propaganda of heliocentric earth, it would be impossible to see the Chicago skyline buildings from the Michigan lake shore. The “curvature” of a spherical (ball) earth would preclude the physical (and scientific) ability to view that Chicago skyline, which (theoretically) should have vanished from human sight, due to earth’s theoretical (heliocentric) curvature. This reality also confirms, stationary earth – and, all that stationary earth entails. the wicked propaganda, political correctness, false worldview, “science,” (aka, pseudo science) etc.

Chicago Skyline missing curvature #FlatEarth –

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“A thinking person will question what he hears; examine what he sees; and evaluate what others would have him believe. When did big government and its mainstream media tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?” – [Pastor emeritus Nathan M. Bickel]

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  1. Pray for the soul of Eric Dubay because he is totally immersed – and lost – in a mystery “religion” that is an invention of the New World system he claims to be trying to expose.

      • Those Eastern mystery “religions” teach the devotees that they can become “one with God,” and that they can achieve the same “level of consciousness” as Jesus Christ. As a devotee continues to contemplate his “spiritual path, he is able to discern that the need for Jesus Christ is irrelevant. As the devotee becomes more “spiritually mature,” he begins to deny to deity of the Lord Jesus Christ, and thus he blasphemes the Holy Spirit. The devotee is inculcated to believe there are “many paths to God,” but the Scriptures give us 100% clarity on this issue. Most devotees of the Eastern mystery “religions” do not study God’s Word in the Holy Bible and so they do not understand God’s Plan of Salvation. They have a belief system and a prayer life, but they are lost.

  2. These people ARE off the deep end! I got entangled with one after posting a comment following an article on the same, plus my additions. He assailed me with all the tripe he could muster but kidnapping the Lindburg baby. It dissuaded him not that I included my being a retired scientist who’d studied astronomy. (I failed to mention physics, as I should I have.) This one mention, plus yours’ noted, reek of Satanic delusion and corruption. I do not know if this is part and parcel of the New Age movement, but it is at its perimeter.

  3. Well, if you espouse one nutty idea, you’re bound to espouse another one. The stationary earth “theory” is just as nutty as the Christ-never-existed “theory.”

  4. Each person is on his own journey. Eric made discoveries and put in the research that helped the rest of us to learn where we live. His journey has obviously led him in a direction than yours. Why would you not continue to support this man that obviously made a difference in your life, simply because he’s currently of a belief with which you disagree. I was an atheist until I learned of the flat earth. This “No Jesus” journey may lead him to more self discovery.

    • “The Most Important Truth:”

      You ask the following question:

      “Why would you not continue to support this man that obviously made a difference in your life, simply because he’s currently of a belief with which you disagree?”

      My response:

      I made it a point to highlight Eric and his work before his obvious and blantant denial of Christ. I link and highlight authors who do not think and believe the same as I. If you read the Moralmatters article carefully, you should notice that I pay Eric, the highest respect for his work. I am appreciatative, for the information that he has brought to bear and hence, to the “difference” that work has made in my “life.”

      You will notice (I hope) that I did not ridicule Eric, as he has obviously ridiculed others in the “flat earth” movement. My Moralmatters article was direct and to the point.

      My criticism of Eric had [has] to do with his skewed perception of human history. I remember one Facebook comment of which the person stated in reference to the denial of the physical Christ – [Paraphrase]: “How (then) do you explain B.C. and A.D.?” My criticism of Mr. Dubay was about his erroneous perception; not about his admirable modern pioneer work disclosing the realities of stationary earth.

      Good grief! If nobody were subject to constructive criticism; what would this world be like? None of us are without flaws and all of us are subjects of misinformation and propaganda! Eric, not withstanding! even, I!

      As far as “support” of Eric, I think I made it clear that I would leave existing links of his on the Moralmatters website, but that I would not go out of my way to promulgate his online presence. That could change in the future; but I would (then) preface links with a caveat, such as this article about Eric “going off the deep end.” And, I may not even find the need to link Eric’s work, as there are plenty others who I could; Edward Hendrie, being one.

      Furthermore, I think it highly offensive to Christians that the historicity of Christ would be even questioned. That questioning shows poor judgment, poor character and, a lack of due intellectual diligence.

      This Moralmatters author believes that he owes his worldwide audience logical, intellectual and historical respect. Acts of denigrating the Jesus Christ of human history should not be rewarded, but met with appropriate Christian Apologetic, reasonable answers and practical measures.

      Finally, you make reference to Eric’s “self-discovery.” I maintain that, that “self-discovery” is what may have mislead Eric to come to his anti-historical conclusion about the physical / historical Christ. True Christianity (also, genuine spirituality) is not something, which can be inwardly discovered. The essence of the Christian Faith and Life is the objective Christ. “Emanuel,” “God with us!” Human nature is depraved. It takes the divine nature of the historical Christ to transform the inner person.

      “The Most Important Truth:” I hope I (at least, in part) answered your question and that you are able to understand some things from this Moralmatters author’s vantage point.

        • Allen –

          As to Tina’s reference to “The Mandella Effect,” I’m beginning to wonder if that terminology has been invented by “the powers that be” to act as another “diversionary measure” to consume the valuable energy of the populace while they go about their malevolent business creating their NWO (new world order).

          • There’s a theory called the “String Theory,” which states time could go on or back. I don’t see the Lord allowing such. I’ll spend my TIME in a worthy way, reading my Bible and serving His Kingdom. God bless you and yours and pray for revival and that God has found favor in Mr. Trump and that it is His will that Donald Trump becomes POTUS.

          • Allen Vergakis –

            I never heard of the “String Theory.” All I know is that Eric Dubay has “missed the boat.”

            As to Trump, I hope and pray the same. Also, that Trump be genuine and “clean corruption house” as a non-human controlled U.S. President.

          • Methinks, he’s a “flat” head, none to his avail nor warrant. I waxed Middle English! Not bad for a scurvy commoner! After all, Elizabeth IS queen. I wish I knew what vitamins she took, she’s ruled Merry Old England for centuries. And she looks better than Queen Hillary the zero.

  5. By MountZion

    This video/documentary is about refuting the existence of Yeshua (Jesus-Christ) claiming there is not a single historical document that can be found about it. Therefore, as such documents do not seem to exist, it appears that Yeshua may never have existed. This is the main idea.

    Considering this fact as true, one could possibly argue that a) this sort of documents could have actually existed but were systematically destroyed by the Authorities across the ages , b) the doctrine of Christianity could have been spread through oral tradition over the 2 first centuries, until the Council of Nicaea (ca. 325) ; after all, we know some sacred knowledge were only preserved orally in the Ancient times, such as the Vedas, some books of the Old Testament, other stories and legends (The Iliad, The odyssey…)

    However, we must take into account that if Yeshua is portrayed as the main charcater in the Bible and the New Testament, the devil , or Satan, or Lucifer, also features prominently !

    In the world of today – end 2016 – who can deny the growing influence of Satanism/Luciferianism in our societies ?
    Funnily enough, it seems that the existence of this particular, inflammatory character is not documented either, yet has many followers all over the world : most politicians, top corporate bosses, mainstream music artists, famous actors & actresses, successful writers, high profile journalists etc … and many more smart people are actively involved into the Satanic Cult in one way or another. Who can deny this phenomenon has been occuring all over the centuries since at least, the Ancient Egypt times ! And can anyone tell what motivates these groups of people becoming Satan/Lucifer worshipers considering there is apprently, no evidence of his existence at all ?

    Let’s continue : the Bible states that a meeting between Satan and Yeshua actually took place ; it happened only once, with eye, and possibly physical contact :

    “1 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
    4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
    5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:
    “‘He will command his angels concerning you,
    and they will lift you up in their hands,
    so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’”
    7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’”
    8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”
    10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’”
    11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.”
    Matthew 4:1-11

    Objectively, the probababilities of the existence/non-existence of Yeshua and the Devil remain equal.
    As a result, if Satan/Lucifer has so many openly declared followers today – and this phenomenon obviously remains unquestionned by anyone – why is Yeshua’s existence raising such an issue ?

    We can also wonder why, in all times, a certain number of sensible, intelligent, atheist figures (amongst others), mentionned Yeshua with so much passion and exaltation, far from denying his existence :

    – Albert Einstein

    “As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene….No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life.”

    – Albert Pike

    “That which we must say to the crowd is — We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees — The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the of purity of the Luciferian doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay whose deeds prove his cruelty, perfidy, and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him? Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also God. […] but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil.”

    “The doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay (Jesus); but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of darkness and evil.”

    – Alistair Crawley

    “O, Jesus Of Nazareth; thine aeon is passed […] I, the Great Beast, slaying thee, Jesus Of Nazareth, the slave-god, under the form of this creature of frogs, do bless this creature…”

    – Adolf Hitler

    “On the 4th of June, 1922, as Hitler entered Stadelheim prison for inciting a riot, he compared himself with Jesus when he told his followers:

    ‘Two thousand years ago, the mob of Jerusalem dragged a man to execution in just this way.'”
    [Toland, p.115]

    – Napoleon

    “One day in a conversation with Montholon, he put this question to him: “Who was Jesus Christ?” Montholon having declined to answer, Napoleon proceeded:

    ‘I will tell you. Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and myself have founded great empires. But our empires were founded on force. Jesus alone founded His empire on love, and to this day millions would die for Him. I think I understand something of human nature, and I tell you, all these were men, and I am a man. Jesus Christ was more than man.’”

    – Quran

    And [for] their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah .” And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.” Surah An-Nisa [4:157]

    – Talmud

    “Our rabbis taught Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples, and these are they: Matthai, Naqqai, Netzer, Buni, and Todah.”

    “The master said: Jesus the Nazarene practiced magic and deceived and led Israel astray.”

    “On the eve of the Passover Yeshu34 was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, ‘He is going forth to be stoned because he has practised sorcery and enticed Israel to apostacy. Any one who can say anything in his favour, let him come forward and plead on his behalf.’ But since nothing was brought forward in his favour he was hanged on the eve of the Passover!”

    – Ron Hubbard

    “Anyway, Everyman is then shown to have been crucified so don’t think that it’s an accident that this crucifixion, they found out that this applied. Somebody somewhere on this planet, back about 600 BC, found some pieces of R6, and I don’t know how they found it, either by watching madmen or something, but since that time they have used it and it became what is known as Christianity. The man on the Cross.
    There was no Christ. But the man on the cross is shown as Everyman. So of course each person seeing a crucified man, has an immediate feeling of sympathy for this man. Therefore you get many PCs who says they are Christ. Now, there’s two reasons for that, one is the Roman Empire was prone to crucify people, so a person can have been crucified, but in R6 he is shown as crucified.”

    – Ghandi

    “I could accept Jesus as a martyr, an embodiment of sacrifice, and a divine teacher, but not as the most perfect man ever born. His death on the Cross was a great example to the world, but that there was anything like a mysterious or miraculous virtue in it my heart could not accept.”

    – Benjamin Creme

    “Two thousand years ago He (‘Maitreya’) worked through Jesus. Jesus in the esoteric tradition is not the Christ but the vehicle for the Christ. The Christ Himself being Maitreya. This is the age-old way for a teacher to come. For example, 600 years before Jesus the Buddha manifested Himself through the Prince Guatama. And Guatama Buddha became known as the Buddha, but He wasn’t the Buddha. He was the vehicle for the Buddha, a body through which the Buddha worked. That’s the way the teachers have come to the Earth right up until this time.

    – Holger Kersten

    Wrote “Jesus Lived in India”. This German book is a thorough, methodical and authoritative examination of the evidence of Christ’s life beyond the Middle East before the Crucifixion and in India and elsewhere after it (!)

    … and so on, and so on !

    It is no secret that Yeshua has always been subject of much – far too much – attention for a person who is said to have never existed …

    As a conclusion, is is quite possible that some Christians who will watch this video may feel their faith shaken. In which case it is up to themselves, and none else, to overcome such an awkward dilemma through prayers and bible-studying.

    On a more personal note, I just can admit that this type of document, far from disturbing me, suffices to comfort me in my entire faith in Yeshua !

    By MountZion

    • “MountZion:”

      Thank you for your wonderful and informational comment.

      By denying the historical existence of Christ, Eric Dubay and his foolish followers have, in effect, diminished and denigrated distinguished persons of history for their belief and opinions about the historical Christ of the Biblical Scriptures and extra non-biblical documents.

      It is both sad and pathetic that individuals such as Eric Dubay would lower themselves to deny reality. Not only sad and pathetic, but hypocritical since Eric and those who have benefited from his stationary world observations would deny themselves, intellectual and historical honesty.

      • you’re right most important truth.

        and mt zion, make sure you lump all who watch the man’s vids into one catagory, very judgemental of you. there is but one judgement passer and youre not it.

        • shotgun –

          I “take it” from your comment that you are defending Eric Dubay and calling into question “MtZion and me for being “judgmental.” Don’t you think that you are being judgmental by your own standard understanding of being judgmental?

  6. This article finds me at a time when Eric Dubay has shown himself to me through my falling into a rabbit hole regarding the rock band Kansas. They apparently showed a painting on one of their albums from the 1980s of the flat earth. There’s now a discrepancy about the name of the album or song that we all remember being titled “The point of no return,” but now is titled “The point of know return.” This is just another Mandela Effect that I know you have no interest in. But after some research, I found that Eric Dubay wrote an article about this subject which I haven’t even read yet because I have literally been stuck on the internet all day about this and I desperately need to do my laundry and go food shopping before this day is over! LOL! But I thought you might find it interesting because of the whole “I don’t think we’re in Kansas anymore” reference, the flat earth reference, the title change and the two very popular songs by Kansas; namely, “Carry on thy wayward son” and “Dust in the wind.” OK, now I must get out of this house today!

    • Tina –

      Interesting. What one comes up with when thinking, questioning, examining and evaluating……

      Please do me a favor and explain the “Mandela Effect” in 3 sentences. I need help with that one.

      • Three sentences?! Okay let’s see if I can handle this. For many people, we have excellent memories of things past; namely, Bible verses, movie quotes, product/restaurant names, etc. We all share the same exact memories. However, when trying to prove the existence of things the way we all remember them, they are literally changed even in history. For example, when a particular Reverend went back to his KJV, he had his entire congregation recite the Lord’s Prayer before telling them that they were all supposedly “misremembering” their daily prayer, as it has completely changed in the KJV. This is but one example of this phenomenon, which many people believe has been caused by CERN. Watch their celebration ritual on YouTube. It is the most demonic ritual I have ever witnessed in my entire life and world leaders attended. I hope you will look into this Effect, as I KNOW it is real and it is beyond supernatural. Even your 50 year old Bible which may have been in a box for decades IS NOW CHANGED.

        • Tina –

          Thank you.

          By the way, I can explain “The Mandella Effect” in two words:

          “Historical Revisionism.”

          To me, The Mandella Effect is a euphemism for historical revisionism. Perhaps, more precisely, the “effect” is what transpires as the populous gradually accepts, hook, line and sinker, the subtle and increasing “changes” of what the historical revisionists prefer to revise.

          • I will be sure to look that up. I am trying to keep an open mind but this Effect has me deeply distracted but not necessarily in a bad way. My friend, the shrink, calls it confabulation, which I find insulting and disturbing. Not to mention that that theory mentions nothing about people having the exact same memories. Thanks for listening Pastor.

  7. Hello, I haven’t yet looked at Mr. Dubay’s video that you are referring to, but I’m aware of him as the person who originally helped me to realize that the earth was indeed flat, that it was Biblical and in turn brought me to God.

    Before I look at that particular video that calls into question Jesus’ existence, could you tell me if you have logically refuted any of his reasoning or just made an attack because of his unbelief?

    I am a seeker in truth. God did not lead me to this site to argue for arguments sake. I have my own doubts about the inconsistencies of the New Testament. I do not see those doubts as blasphemy. They are simply a search for truth wherever it might take me.

    I ask this question respectfully.

    • Phillip –

      I’m happy that you have been benefited by Eric Dubay’s work regarding stationary Earth. I have also benefited. I have a high regard for him.

      However, as a Christian emeritus pastor, I recoil when someone becomes intellectualize dishonest. Even the suggestion that the historical Christ did not exist is utterly reprehensible!

      Mr. Eric Dubay deserved this Moralmatters article!